Who else cried on that scene when Anakin got his hand and legs cut off? i did! i tried not to but it was unbarible! i tried not to let my mom see me. the saddest part was when Obi-Wan said [glow=blue,2,300]
"You [/glow] [glow=blue,2,300]
where my brother Anakin!" [/glow]and Anakin yelled
[glow=red,2,300]"I HATE YOU!"[/glow] or something like that. it was horrible! : '(
[glow=red,2,300]~Darth Xantos[/glow]Xantos!
wow you are brave for saying so....
I waited 20 years to see what happened to Vader, by whom, and why...
so yes.. I cried... and a LOT. (a lot a lot a lot.) I can barely watch ep3 now.
It was SICKENING to me to see obiwan represent old time religion and religious ways and for those ways ABANDON his
faith.
Faith is vital, essential... it is all that matters!
... grrrrrrrr don't get me started Ill write a thesis.
This really strikes a chord in me. Yes Im a christian but I do NOT look back
at days of fear or power hunger or corruption... or FEAR... as something we as people that have Faith in what the world calls "christianity" should ever ever ever be proud of or even mention again. We should apologize.
And what is this we stuff too? I do not go to any type of church I rely on FAITH and my own study alone.. and god or what Jedi would call the FORCE.
Thats it. Nothing else. I dont want someones ideas to cloud my judgement.
Thats just me. But you can see from there why this really BURNS ME....
To me, I am thinking....... WHAT happened to what QuiGon told him specifically over and over again about not looking into the future all the time!! To pay attention to what is in FRONT of you first,
the Present, the here and now... the living force!!Honestly I saw nothing in obiwan once he landed on mustafar except fear of ani and of the future and that ani had honestly wanted to be a sith ...
he also put padme in harms way by tricking her and sneaking on to her ship!! Why could he not feel where his apprentice was on his own? Why did he use Anakins wife? His PREGNANT wife?? Climbing on to her ship as she went to Anakin in faith and love.. so that he could come out right at the wrong wrong wrong time.. to let Anakin sense his intentions... intentions to KILL him.
Anakin then was struck by FEAR too.. and didn't know why Padme would EVER EVER bring him along when she knew he would kill him!!
He did not ever find out that she did not know about him!!
WTF is up with that???
sighs.......
Breath taken.
And about Anakin "wanting to be sith"
He did not.. he wanted the power to SAVE padme. Teachings to save his WIFE AND CHILD and
then
he told Padme he planned to ""kill Ceasar"" so to speak by getting close enough to him to Kill him... and Anakin wanted her to rule with him
bringing an END to all this war and horrific times of darknessDid obiwan ever ever know anything about any of that?
NO.
Fear always brings terrible things. Even in real life. Always does.
Obiwan instead, came to
do his duty (kill Anakin as instructed)
and he did not hear anything Anakin had told Padme yet.
He did not know Anakin wanted to KILL the sith and rule because
he thought it was his time to bring balance, he did not know
anything about Anakins
plans....
...
and as his mentor[/u] he should have been there to
help him or correct him or try to get his mind out of the poison it was in!!! OR AT LEAST KNOW at least WHAT THE F was happening.
That would be my first words to Anakin when I got off the ship.....
""Anakin... WHY the F are you doing this."" Period.
Tell me why and I am giving you all the time you need to explain.Nope.
Doesn't happen.
I hear him lecture him and the two say basically nothing to eachother while they duel.. I see anakin cry during the duel.. I see both of them looking like they do NOT want to be fighting.. but then rage and fear and all of that takes over on both sides and they continue. GOD SO FRUSTRATING.
THEN
When I see Obi Lecture Anakin while Anakins legs are chopped off?!!!
And he is laying in lava!!!! ?
AND the fire is slowly starting to burn at his amputated limbs....
Does he not know what Anakin is going through right at that moment??!
Picture yourself just for a second... in that exact position. If you can.
...... I get SICKKKKKKKKKKKKKKkk.
You were my brother?
I loved you??? Love does this?
WAIT yes... love does do that.. sometimes love does kill. Is that honorable??? Is that right? Is that the JEDI WAY more importantly???
I would say I HATE YOU as well... a chill goes through my entire body when Anakin does that... when he screams that. He does NOW hate obiwan... he sees in obiwan that all hope in the Jedi is lost. (his opinion now)
that is the moment anakin loses all faith in the "Jedi" all faith that anything can overcome fear, or that they will abide by the Jedi rules they set. Obiwan shows him that... just by doing what he has chosen to do.
Anakin is no longer a threat once he loses the duel...
and Obiwan kills him anyway.
Did ani want to kill dooku when dooku lost the duel???
NO.
He did so out of
duty when the highest political leader demanded it.
After that it was as if he has SWORN he would NOT do it again. He knew it to be very wrong.
He tried to stop Mace from doing the same thing... to no avail.
Even Mace would not stop once he won the duel..
sidious was laying there APPEARING to look defeated and wounded
and able to be taken into custody
(Anakin had no clue of sidious powers yet)
and
mace was saying the same thing Sidious had said to Anakin earlier in the duel between Ani and Dooku.....................
First it was the SITH saying
"he is too dangerous to be kept alive" about Dooku
Then it was a JEDI (mace) saying the SAME thing
"he is too dangerous to be kept alive"............. Anakin was wondering where the F
the Jedi way went?!?!?
Why was it becoming the way of war??
It was not JEDI. And he says constantly in the film "its not the Jedi way... " War was corrupting everything......
Were they Jedi only when convienient to them?? SADLY they were lost in darkness..
the darkside had become
too strong.
NO ONE was spared the darkness..
even Yoda looks beaten and horrible when he lands on Dahgobah
(deleted scene)
So at that part ......
...when Obiwan is saying all sorts of things and crying for gods sake...
...... and Anakin is laying there and for a moment looks up at him
like a 6yr old ...
and then is overcome with more anger and rage because of horrific pain and the knowledge that NOW because of obi... he will LOSE his wife, his unborn perhaps, his galaxy will be in the sith hands, EVERYTHING including his own LIFE is gone now and he must watch it slowly burn away..............Ani also has to listen to another lecture about what he did wrong, what he was supposed to do, what obiwan was hurt about, right then at that moment in time, while burning alive!!
When Obiwan doesn't even know
WHY Anakin did all of this?!?!?
OMG
yes Of course I cried.
My god.
And when I watch A New Hope I know now why I always laughed at
the part when Vader KILLS obiwan.... I did.. since I was 6 I laughed and loved it..
I sensed he had it coming.lol...........
I know I know lots of obiwan fans... well I am not one of them ... I think Im the biggest Anakin Vader fan on the planet
that is FEMALE anyways.... don't even attempt to get me to like obi.
nope. nada.. not going to happen.
See.........
what I saw when I watched this fearful Jedi... Kill his only apprentice..
the one his mentor told him WAS the chosen one...
(
therefore he is not just destroying anakin but he is destroying the faith he had in his own mentor QuiGon and the death wish QuiGon had... the faith QuiGon had)
When I watch Obiwan stand there and act so RELIGIOUS and
obey the "duty that he had to do ... and not FAITH...
... Just like when He tells Anakin earlier on to be a
spy and commit the crime of spying on politicians and being a snake for the Jedi... and anakin says
"WHY are you asking me to do this?!" Obi says
"Because the council has asked me to." (((what??
since when is the council more important than the Jedi Code
and WAY and faith itself??
Is that what QuiGon taught him??)))
When I see obi standing there... and letting Anakin burn like that...
for duty.. for the fear of letting him live.. sacrificing any faith he had left...
and giving in to murder for the sake of fear when ani no longer was a threat to obis life... and he knows anakin was beaten.........totally....
WHAT I SEE... is a witch being burned at the stake.I see history repeating itself.
The accused did things then... but no one asks why.. no one realises that there were things in the bread... (true story) there were strange molds on the breads at the time of
the worst burning of witches..
I believe it was in
Salem. It was the bread poisoning their minds. ANAKIN had just that....... a POISONED mind........
NO ONE asks why or investigates or attempts to save
the women (and their children too by the way ) or to even try to
get their POINT OF VIEW on these things... NOPE
"BURN THEM ALIVE..........." fear makes people do that.
no one can tell me that people do that out of it being Just or Honorable.
It was all
fear.
And pain too... obi felt
pain, fear, mistrust, anger, rage, and betrayal.
So........As a Jedi he cannot see what is good and what is bad now.
He is
clouded.
Yoda said you can only see it when you are CALM, serene, (((sighs)))
It sickens me.
Im not sure what way things could have gone if obi had more Faith
in QuiGon and faith in the force, and faith in the chosen one prophecy
and the jedi way before the war.. but .....a better way.
Anakins plan, had it worked... it would have been better than what happened under sidious rule for 20 years while ani
waited for his son to grow up to help him kill sidious. (Lucas said that vader waited for Luke and knew of only Luke for 20yrs) Obiwan only put off the inevitable. That Anakin would kill Sidious... only now the entire galaxy was going to suffer first for 20yrs.
Padmes last words were words of faith...... and truth.
"...obiwan... there is still.. good in him. There .. is.. still..." _padme They were words Luke said later on of his father and what he FELT of him.
If you think Obiwan continued to believe forever that he was right that day..
read
Return Of The Jedi the book Lucas knows well well well.....
He says to Luke
after yoda dies THIS
"what happened to your father was my fault Luke, the galaxy paid a high price for my pride..." ~obiwan
......all of that is why I cried.
I could NOT believe what I was watching. I did not see this coming...
I knew from spoilers that obi would be the one to win in the duel....
but I did not know it would get THAT UGLY.. and sickening.
Im glad you said you cried.
Most on here are guys that wont ever say they did.
But odds are they did.
At least inside.
Or maybe misty eyes with no tears.
................... at least I'd hope.
The darkness totally won.. against everything, and everyone.
That is definately reason to shed a tear.
always
Lady Jade
"..so this is how democracy dies... with thunderous applause." ~padme