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Post by Aeon Kensho™ on Feb 8, 2007 17:24:31 GMT -5
I still remember when I first saw TPM,I knew Quigon was going to die when he took his last swing.It is so slow it's like child's play for Maul to block it.I thought at the beginning how weak he looked and old.But when you think of it Dooku taught Quigon so I guess age had nothing to do with it.Maul does an awesome block behind his back,And pushes Quigon back.Then they exchange looks,If looks could kill Mauls would have.You can see the hate in his eyes,Quigon has a strange look on his face as well. After this Maul pushes Quigon into a combo,Where Quigon couldn't really move just block.Then Maul hits him in the face with the hilt and kills him.He seemed so powerless to stop Maul.I figure Maul must have tired him down. After time I began to realize he was a powerful Jedi.He had great wisdom of the living force as well.The way he is guided by the force,He was in tune with the will of the force.His wisdom exceeded the council's in a way.He was the only one who could see Anakin was the Chosen one.He had a great view of the force.He died a Jedi and from the netherworld of the force returned.He taught Obi-wan something too. In ANH Obi-wan smiles at Vader before he robs him of the gruesome revenge.He becomes one with the force.It is apparent between ROTS and ANH Obi-wan learned something.We learn in ROTS that Obi-wan learns to commune with Quigon with the force.We hear his voice in AOTC which tells us Quigon was watching Anakin.He was powerful indeed.I just think the Jedi weren't used to fighting opponents with lightsabers,Or such an aggressive style as Juyo.  |
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Post by Lord Brama on Feb 11, 2007 22:59:19 GMT -5
Wow great point Aeon. Master Quigon must have been most powerful to have seen into what yoda could not even see.
Plus the jedi in standard form are never ready for a powerful Sith. Until Obi became enraged by his master's death did he come close to defeating Maul. If it had not been for maul's gloating (and the story line) he would not have fallen to a mere padawan.
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Post by jerrekdromas on Feb 20, 2007 21:14:08 GMT -5
I still remember when I first saw TPM,I knew Quigon was going to die when he took his last swing.It is so slow it's like child's play for Maul to block it.I thought at the beginning how weak he looked and old.But when you think of it Dooku taught Quigon so I guess age had nothing to do with it.Maul does an awesome block behind his back,And pushes Quigon back. After this Maul pushes Quigon into a combo,Where Quigon couldn't really move just block.Then Maul hits him in the face with the hilt and kills him.He seemed so powerless to stop Maul.I figure Maul must have tired him down. After time I began to realize he was a powerful Jedi.He had great wisdom of the living force as well.The way he is guided by the force,He was in tune with the will of the force.His wisdom exceeded the council's in a way.He was the only one who could see Anakin was the Chosen one.He had a great view of the force.He died a Jedi and from the netherworld of the force returned.He taught Obi-wan something too. In ANH Obi-wan smiles at Vader before he robs him of the gruesome revenge.He becomes one with the force.It is apparent between ROTS and ANH Obi-wan learned something.We learn in ROTS that Obi-wan learns to commune with Quigon with the force.We hear his voice in AOTC which tells us Quigon was watching Anakin.He was powerful indeed.I just think the Jedi weren't used to fighting opponents with lightsabers,Or such an aggressive style as Juyo. If you look at his fighting style, Qui-Gon needed more space for his style to be the most effective. How could you call him weak? |
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Post by AV™ The Unforgiving on Feb 20, 2007 21:15:14 GMT -5
Wonderful thread. This was so needed. Qui-Gon Jinn is absolutley my favorite Jedi in every single way. He is so under rated in my opinion. He however did not have the blade skill to beat Darth Maul (nor did Obi-Wan) for the fact the Jedi rarley saw saber to saber combat in this time period. In fact, I bet Qui-Gon had never been in a real saber fight before, or Obi-Wan for that matter. Rather than sparing and training with other Jedi. Obi-Wan was the first Jedi to kill a Sith in 1,000 years. Not even Yoda got a chance to kill a Sith. It makes a lot of sense why Qui-Gon died against Maul. Maul had the greatest combat valor (saber) ever displayed in the movies. He would have killed them both easily. As for Qui-Gon being a master of the living force. That much is obvious.
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Post by jerrekdromas on Feb 20, 2007 22:30:02 GMT -5
Wonderful thread. This was so needed. Qui-Gon Jinn is absolutley my favorite Jedi in every single way. He is so under rated in my opinion. He however did not have the blade skill to beat Darth Maul (nor did Obi-Wan) for the fact the Jedi rarley saw saber to saber combat in this time period. In fact, I bet Qui-Gon had never been in a real saber fight before, or Obi-Wan for that matter. Rather than sparing and training with other Jedi. Obi-Wan was the first Jedi to kill a Sith in 1,000 years. Not even Yoda got a chance to kill a Sith. It makes a lot of sense why Qui-Gon died against Maul. Maul had the greatest combat valor (saber) ever displayed in the movies. He would have killed them both easily. As for Qui-Gon being a master of the living force. That much is obvious. good lord AV that is how I should have broken it down. I still think that if the fight had been in a more open area it woukld have been better. That way Qui-Gon would have been able to use the entireness of this fighting style. It does, after all, require alot of space to be the most effective. |
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Post by Aeon Kensho™ on Feb 20, 2007 23:10:36 GMT -5
True Ataru does take alot of room.Its what gave Yoda the upper hand his size.Yet besides Quigon being tired he was too slow.It was Yoda's speed and size together that made him so deadly.Yes room would have helped,But lets think of this.When in the Hangar the open space doesn't help him much against Mauls speed.Maul takes him,down with ease kicking him in the leg.
While I do realize space does have to do with it,Maul was leading them.Not to mention he realized how to break them,To separate them.Then kill one.It makes a Jedi un-centered,Which is displayed when the door opens.Obi is very close to the darkside.I believe Maul knew the darkside.Obi wasn't thinking, Maul could tell his lack of seeing the whole picture.
Maul was focused and see the opening as where Young Kenobi was caught up in the saber battle.
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Post by jerrekdromas on Feb 20, 2007 23:13:56 GMT -5
That is a good point. You win this round, but I shall return.
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Post by Lord Brama on Feb 22, 2007 22:47:42 GMT -5
Great point AV.
In TPM they even mentioned that noone had seen a Sith in years. Other than training when would a jedi have truly seen lightsaber combat.
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Post by AV™ The Unforgiving on Feb 23, 2007 15:55:16 GMT -5
Thats right. And if the Jedi ever did use their lightsabers. It was only in defense as where Maul nearly defeated Sidious in a saber battle while he was barley clinging on to life and used his saber to take down the entire crime syndicate, The Black Sun; including its leader Alexi Garyn or something like that. I haven't read the book in a while but Maul had more experience then Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan both. Not to mention just look at Maul. If there was no such thing as the force and there were only lightsabers. Darth Maul would rule the galaxy.
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Post by Aeon Kensho™ on Feb 23, 2007 16:18:43 GMT -5
True it was his passion of the saber that gave him the upper hand.Sidious warned him though,That his excellent battle prowess would eventually lead to his downfall.He was too arrogant.Maul trained his whole life in the anticipation on facing the Jedi blade to blade,As where the Jedi were complacent and weak,In a way.Due to their position in the galaxy they didn't face worthy adversaries.Maul was a step above the rest.I bet he could have defeated Windu.He brought Juyo to the next level.If Windu completed Juyo with Vaapad,then Maul then so did Maul by creating his Staff and mastering a style that hadn't been since the old republic.
It was really Mauls passion and hatred of the Jedi that fuel this vicious style.
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Post by Master Lan on May 4, 2007 8:09:03 GMT -5
i didnt like the battle between quigon and maul it was way to short, i mean quigons a master and he died that easily?
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Post by Aeon Kensho™ on May 4, 2007 18:20:50 GMT -5
So when you watched The duels in AOTC I bet you said.I didn't like it as much as the duel between Maul and the two Jedi.This Duel was while many people were upset with the outcome.The leader in a new Starwars Era.It showed the difference of the times.And the emergance of the sith once again.People need to lighten up and stop whining about everything they don't like.And start saying what they did like about it.Majority of responses are all about things fell short.Like any of us could have done better.Give credit where it is due,This duel was amazing,Even if the outcome was a surprize and unexpected  |
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Post by Darth Caedus on May 6, 2007 17:04:39 GMT -5
If you ever read the ROTS novel, you really see how great Qui Gon is when Yoda reveals that his new master is actually Qui Gon. The novel is so amazing, I have read it twice. It really fills in the gaps of stuff that couldn't be included in the film, and you get much more of an insight into what both Anakin/Vader and Obi Wan are thinking. It is such an awesome read, and I would highly reccomend it if you want to know in more detail what happened in ROTS.
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Post by Antonidas Vander on May 8, 2007 14:56:24 GMT -5
Yeah you have a point. But Yoda still had known many things that Qui-Gon did not. I think the only reason why Yoda did not thing Anakin was the chosen one because his future was clouded.
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Post by Mason Fett on Jul 30, 2008 21:29:09 GMT -5
I kinda figured Qui Gon would get his lunch, since he didn't really seem like much of a popular character. But still, he seemed pretty powerful to me, in both the force and saber skills. Maybe it was just because it was the first episode with newer technology after seeing all the really old versions of 4, 5, and 6.
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