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Post by Aeon Kensho™ on Feb 14, 2007 14:03:16 GMT -5
Ever wonder why Obi-wan lies to Luke about Vader when they first meet?It seems strange that a Jedi would lie.It seems Sith indulge in half-truths or truth that can hurt.Obi-wan lies to protect Luke from the horrible truth.While Vader reveals it to hurt him.Even the way he says it"No,I am your father!"
You notice Obi-wan pauses for a second before he answers Luke,Pondering what to do.Then he tells him that Vader betrayed and murdered his father.Even in Starwars they live in a Grey reality.Though it is wrong to lie,But under certain circumstances it is OK.If it serves the greater good,Or Will of the Force.
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Post by bloodthirstysith on Feb 14, 2007 14:17:02 GMT -5
Remeber. Obi-Wan even said that he told Luke the truth from a certain point of view in ROTJ
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Post by Aeon Kensho™ on Feb 14, 2007 14:30:29 GMT -5
While that is said,true.A lie by any other name is a lie still the same.Over all it was the goodness in him,and his faith in Luke that lead to the deception.
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Post by bloodthirstysith on Feb 14, 2007 14:35:54 GMT -5
While that is said,true.A lie by any other name is a lie still the same.Over all it was the goodness in him,and his faith in Luke that lead to the deception. Now if Obi-Wan had told him the truth about his father. Do you actually think that the story could have remained the same? If Luke had known who his father was it might have compelled him to join the Empire to meet his father. Obi-wan did the right thing. He had to do it. There was no other way. |
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Post by Aeon Kensho™ on Feb 14, 2007 14:44:33 GMT -5
I think Luke wouldn't have believed him at this point in the story.It was too soon.Everyone in the galaxy knew who Darth Vader was you know.So I think the lie was the right thing to do,So luke could gradually open his eyes.Instead of trying to blind him with the truth,Like Vader did.
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Post by Darth Mayhem on Feb 14, 2007 14:50:28 GMT -5
ya you cant think of it as a lie if you think of it like this it makes sense.
vader betrayed and murdered your father...
this means that the entity inside anikin so named vader, did betray anikin and in the end killed him. or so he thought, when anikin redeemed himself by killing the emperor, he proved that vader hadnt killed his father.
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Post by jerrekdromas on Feb 20, 2007 23:28:34 GMT -5
ya you cant think of it as a lie if you think of it like this it makes sense. vader betrayed and murdered your father... this means that the entity inside anikin so named vader, did betray anikin and in the end killed him. or so he thought, when anikin redeemed himself by killing the emperor, he proved that vader hadnt killed his father. That is a good point. I was thinkin g about the samething. |
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Post by Aeon Kensho™ on Feb 20, 2007 23:43:52 GMT -5
Yes so true in fact,Vader didn't kill Anakin they were one in the same.It shows the duality of us all.The Killer,the Provider,the light,and dark.Because when you really think of it.Both Yoda and Obi-wan were wrong about Anakin and in fact the Force.Neither of them believe one could ever return from the darkside.So in theory the Jedi might have killed Padawans who turned and such.I think Mace killed both of his apprentices if I remember correctly.So Mace isn't the best example of a good Jedi.But all the Jedi shared this flaw except for Luke.Even Anakin underestimated the Redeeming qualities of love saying"Love can't save you Padme only my new powers can do that"
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Post by Darth Caedus on Feb 23, 2007 6:30:12 GMT -5
Mace didnt kill Depa Bilaba, she went insane when she was on Haruun Kal and he went there and arrested her. She is now in kind of a coma in the Jedi temple where they can keep an eye on her, but she is imprisoned. She is basically a mental patient now, completely insane. Mace didnt kill her.
Obi Wan had to lie. He couldnt exactly say to Luke. "I am a Jedi, look here is my lightsaber, oh and by the way this is your father's lightsaber, I took it from his smoldering body after I had de limbed him and destroyed his life. You can have it if you want, your father didnt really want you to have it, I stole it from his charred remains, but I have no cause to use it". I don't think after that Luke would have wanted to accompany him to Alderaan at all lol.
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Post by Aeon Kensho™ on Feb 23, 2007 12:23:54 GMT -5
Heheheheh true,But the question was Why not If?Why did he lie?It doesn't seem to be the Jedi way.Yet Sith tell the truth,From a certain point of view(More like half truths)So of course he could't drop the bombshell on him.So it was a tuff place he was in Obi.You can tell he was pondering it when he first decieved Luke.
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Post by Lordjoshua420 on Mar 21, 2007 0:36:12 GMT -5
it all comes down to your point of view and in jedi luke even says to vader"then my father is truly dead" and obi-wan believed that when anakin turned to the dark side in essence darth vader killed anakin...i don't have a problem with this, this just shows more about the mind of a jedi and the truth's of the force(from a certain point of view)
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Post by Darth Vegan on May 2, 2007 4:06:07 GMT -5
you have to remember, Luke was brought to Tatooine n the first place to hide him from Vader and the Emperor and to protect him.
I hardly think revealing that powerful secret immediately upon meeting him would be a smart thing to do.
Luke ws completely untrained in the ways of the Force at the time, and had he gone in search of Vader (as his curiousity would have led him to do, I'd think; look how eager he was to know about his father from Ben all the time, asking how he died, about fighting with him in the Clone Wars, etc) it would have ended badly, and the galaxy's "last hope" wouldve been squelched.
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Post by Darth Caedus on May 6, 2007 17:24:32 GMT -5
I don't understand why Luke's last name was never changed. Surly if the Jedi wasnted to hide him well they wouldn't send him to Tatooine, but still keep his last name instead of changing his name to Luke Lars. It amazes me that Darth Vader never found out about him earlier. I know that the reason they sent Luke to Tatooine was because Vader wouldn't really be inclined to go there in fear of waking up memories of Anakin, but Vader has eyes and ears everywhere, and sooner or later someone would have mentioned "that Skywalker kid that lives on Tatooine".
This makes no sense to me why his name was never changed, because Leia's was.
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Post by ~Rogue Jedi~ on May 14, 2007 3:12:17 GMT -5
Ever wonder why Obi-wan lies to Luke about Vader when they first meet?It seems strange that a Jedi would lie.It seems Sith indulge in half-truths or truth that can hurt.Obi-wan lies to protect Luke from the horrible truth.While Vader reveals it to hurt him.Even the way he says it"No,I am your father!" You notice Obi-wan pauses for a second before he answers Luke,Pondering what to do.Then he tells him that Vader betrayed and murdered his father.Even in Starwars they live in a Grey reality.Though it is wrong to lie,But under certain circumstances it is OK.If it serves the greater good,Or Will of the Force. Obi Wan knew that Luke was young and eager, and that if he told him the truth, Luke would be more opt to turn to the dark side. Luke was, after all, the last hope for the Jedi. He couldnt very well be told his dear old dad was a Sith lord. |
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