Obi-Wan's Deception

[AV™ The Unforgiving]

Obi-Wan Kenobi is the real villian in Revenge of the Sith. It was Obi-Wan's deception that finalized Darth Vader's dark decent and ruined his and his familys life. Kenobi turned Padme against Anakin knowing there was still good in him. Anakin and Padme both deserved to live but Kenobi was too blinded by jealousy to think it through. First of all Obi-Wan didnt need to drag Padme into his and Anakin's affairs, that was between them. No true man ever brings a poor woman into two mens affair. Not a noble one at least. If Obi-Wan really loved Anakin like he said he did he would have not cut off his limbs and left him burning to die the way he did. He would have helped him or finished him off with honor. The way he did it was cowardly and spiteful. Obi-Wan didn't even try and help Anakin. He just let him burn. What kind of brother does that?. During their fight there was almost no dialog. Kenobi didnt even try and talk some sense into the redeemable Anakin. Obi-Wan gave up on Anakin and was angry cause he failed to teach his padawan. His inhability to teach Anakin, and the fact that Anakin was more powerful than him left him jealous, just as any other human would be. Although Kenobi bested Vader on Mustafar that does not mean he is more powerfull. Vader had him on the run the whole time. He was obviously the better swordsman and his midichlorian count made him more attune to the force than Kenobi. It was his own arrogance that defeated him. Not Kenobi. He was also jealous that Anakin had impregnated the beautiful Padme Amidala. Something he quietly dreamed about. I know this particular theory is unbacked. But I do remember sensing Obi-Wan having feelings for Padme. I mean. It's obvious. Padme was most desireable character in the Prequels. Obi-Wan deceived Anakin and Padme both. He ruined their relationship and ultimately killed them both. Obi-Wan was the bigger man here , and it was his responsibility to make things right. This is why I hate Obi-Wan, and anyone who carries the Kenobi name. This is why I view him as the true villain in Revenge of The Sith. I for the mostpart dont mind Obi except in this episode. This proves that there is no such thing as Good and Evil, they are both merely points of view. Neither is right or wrong. They are just personal preference. A lot like the Jedi and Sith who both long for control and preservation of their kind. And lets not forget in the end who ultimatley wins the rivalry.

[Mind you all, I wrote this back in February 06. I've seen the movie several times since then and don't feel quite as I did about the story line when I wrote the above. I just thought i'd post it for you all to enjoy. Positive and negative feedback are both welcome.]

[Darth Revan]

phoenixdarksider said:

Obi-Wan Kenobi is the real villian in Revenge of the Sith. It was Obi-Wan's deception that finalized Darth Vader's dark decent and ruined his and his familys life. Kenobi turned Padme against Anakin knowing there was still good in him. Anakin and Padme both deserved to live but Kenobi was too blinded by jealousy to think it through. First of all Obi-Wan didnt need to drag Padme into his and Anakin's affairs, that was between them. No true man ever brings a poor woman into two mens affair. Not a noble one at least. If Obi-Wan really loved Anakin like he said he did he would have not cut off his limbs and left him burning to die the way he did. He would have helped him or finished him off with honor. The way he did it was cowardly and spiteful. Obi-Wan didn't even try and help Anakin. He just let him burn. What kind of brother does that?. During their fight there was almost no dialog. Kenobi didnt even try and talk some sense into the redeemable Anakin. Obi-Wan gave up on Anakin and was angry cause he failed to teach his padawan. His inhability to teach Anakin, and the fact that Anakin was more powerful than him left him jealous, just as any other human would be. Although Kenobi bested Vader on Mustafar that does not mean he is more powerfull. Vader had him on the run the whole time. He was obviously the better swordsman and his midichlorian count made him more attune to the force than Kenobi. It was his own arrogance that defeated him. Not Kenobi. He was also jealous that Anakin had impregnated the beautiful Padme Amidala. Something he quietly dreamed about. I know this particular theory is unbacked. But I do remember sensing Obi-Wan having feelings for Padme. I mean. It's obvious. Padme was most desireable character in the Prequels. Obi-Wan deceived Anakin and Padme both. He ruined their relationship and ultimately killed them both. Obi-Wan was the bigger man here , and it was his responsibility to make things right. This is why I hate Obi-Wan, and anyone who carries the Kenobi name. This is why I view him as the true villain in Revenge of The Sith. I for the mostpart dont mind Obi except in this episode. This proves that there is no such thing as Good and Evil, they are both merely points of view. Neither is right or wrong. They are just personal preference. A lot like the Jedi and Sith who both long for control and preservation of their kind. And lets not forget in the end who ultimatley wins the rivalry.

[Mind you all, I wrote this back in February. I've seen the movie several times since then and don't feel quite as I did about the story line when I wrote the above. I just thought i'd post it for you all to enjoy. Positive and negative feedback are both welcome.]

Obi-Wan didn't kill them both,Anakins lust for power killed Padme and she died of a broken heart,of Anakin betryal to the dark side,IMO.

[AV™ The Unforgiving]

Yes that I now understand, but I still feel that Obi-Wan had a fault in the tradgedy. I think it got to the point where Kenobi didn't even wanna help Anakin, as if Anakin was a completlry lost cause which I don't agree to, more like Kenobi gave up on his apprentice.

[Leia Vader]

Oh God...you did NOT post that here too. XD Man....what am I to do with you? Oh! I know! Oh Alena! Come help me control your husband before I kill him! ;D

But to this whole...deception bit. I don't think I've ever given you a piece of my mind about it. Yes I understand your...hatred...of Obi-Wan but seriously AV! Have you read ROTS? It actually gives everything you were lacking. You shoulda done what I did. See ROTS at the midnight showing then read ROTS the next day after seeing ROTS again. ^.^ Obi-Wan ain't evil. Both he and Anakin knew that something was going to happen before Obi left Coruscant to face GG (Yick! Don't send him after Leia...or Wendy). But when it came to the actual duel, Obi-Wan was remaining a Jedi and-dang it! I'll just call you later and tell you cause I think think riht now. Too hungry.

Long story short, Vader was NOT framed as he knew exactly what he was doing.

[Kit Fisto]

I was just thinking that it was VERY UN Jedi like for Obi wan to just let Anakin burn and not finish him off.
He could have ended it all right there,and showed some compassion for his old padawan.

[Darth Revan]

admin said:

I was just thinking that it was VERY UN Jedi like for Obi wan to just let Anakin burn and not finish him off.
He could have ended it all right there,and showed some compassion for his old padawan.

Kit like Obi-Wan said he was lost,and he failed him it was to late to bring Anakin back,UNTIL A NEW HOPE APPEARS

[Grand Jedi Master Rik Jinn]

Obi-Wan is a too balanced Jedi for that. He issn't evil and if you go back to the "creator" of Darth Vader you should go back on either Qui-Gon Jinn, Darth Tyranus, Darth Plaguies, Yoda or Darth Sidious they all are related to the Anger and Rage in Anakin don't forget the Tuskens etc, etc you can't blame a very balanced / good Jedi for that. It was Anakin's greed for Power and Overconvidence that made him strike down himself and padmé. If you have Questions by any Character I mentioned who could have bin the "Bad Man" just ask and I'll explain ...

[AV™ The Unforgiving]

Yeah I agree to what your saying. It is not entirley Obi-Wan's fault, I just feel it mostly is. Darth Sidious had a big part in Anakin's turning, Mace Windu had a big part in Anakin's turning, and the rest of the Jedi council as well. They pushed Anakin away and Sidious took advantage of that. Perhaps if the Jedi had been more respectful of Anakin and given him what he deserved, none of this would have happened. Blame the Jedi!

[Alena Vader]

Leia! I'm here now and I would defend you... but it is pointless to try to argue with AV on this topic. For the most part, I view Kenobi as an honest and noble jedi. He has his flaws of course. And I do sympathize with some of AV's points. It was almost as if Kenobi had given up on Anakin. I wished he had tried to help him a little more before cutting off all of his limbs and burning him to shreds. And I agree with those saying it was heartless of Obi to leave him there like that. Oh, and if AV didn't already mention it, Kenobi did ignite his lightsaber first. I still personally believe that they would have fought either way, regardless.

But I have to say I don't agree with the theory that Kenobi had romantic feelings for Padme. She may have been beautiful and successful and what not, but I didn't really see Obi hinting at such emotions in the film.

Obi and Mace and Sidious may have all had partial responsibility to Anakin's fall, yes. Their actions just made his transition to the darkside more fluid, I believe. Yeah if they had all given Anakin everything he needed to feel secure, babied him along, welcomed him into the Council and trusted him rather than pushing him away - maybe the outcomes would have been different. Maybe Anakin would have had more faith in the jedi rather than becoming vulnerable into believing Palpatine's lies.

But ultimately, Anakin was the one in control of his destiny. You can't just blame it on everyone else. You can't just say "I am whoI am, I chose nothing." Anakin made a choice before each act - before killing the younglings, before choking Padme, and before taking that final jump from the lower ground - he chose. And..... it's his fault.

[Grand Jedi Master Rik Jinn]

You can't blame Jedi for it listen this makes sense, its short but makes great sense. Darth Plaguies created a life form so strong with only his knowladge of the force. When his apprentice Darth Sidious found that out he knew that the life form would take his place as Darth Plaguies new Apprentice, and that he would be killed by his Master or that new Apprentice. Out frustration, anger, passion and rage he killed his Master in his sleep. Now he could be the Dark Lord of the Sith and lead the life form his formal Master created. Still one problem Where was that life form. He searched and searched finaly found something This kid, no parents all alone and Force Sensetive should be it, I call you Darth Maul. As a pion of Sidious, Maul was there to destroy the Jedi and other things that were in the way of his Master. His loyalty would be betraied and it would cause his final death. So that wassn't it or was it the life form but Plaguies didn't finished it or was he to be trained by Plaguies so he would not fail as he did now. Years past by till the Kid of Tatooine, Anakin and Darth Sidious met. Darth Sidious had a Aprrentice, Lord Tyranus but he was only there to create the CIS and his Master Plan, The Death Star. When Tyranus died and Sidious knew Anakin was to be the life form. He let him forfill his Destiny. Anakin never was a true Jedi, he tricked himself by thinking that actualy he was ment to be the new Dark Lord. Why did he die then ? Well he still wassn't truely finished and his Emotions shined true all the time, not anger or passion but the emotions compassion

[Grand Jedi Master Rik Jinn]

alenavader said:

I wished he had tried to help him a little more before cutting off all of his limbs and burning him to shreds. And I agree with those saying it was heartless of Obi to leave him there like that. Oh, and if AV didn't already mention it, Kenobi did ignite his lightsaber first. I still personally believe that they would have fought either way, regardless.

You're not as Jedi "trained" as I am I guess. Question this, what did Obi-Wan say before Anakin jumped towards him in anger ? He said, Don't try it I have the high ground or something in that way, if you knew the ways of the Jedi then you know A Warning is a gift ! Anakin did not use that gift and that was Obi-Wan's drive to "destroy" his former Padawan, he truely was lost. As you say he left him there that was heartless but don't you think it's heartless to kill your former Teachers, like Cin Drallig, Mace Windu, Jacosta Nu etc. Or even kill YOUNGLINGS ? You think that is ok ? Anakin was the enemy and Obi-Wan did what he had to do !

[Grand Jedi Master Rik Jinn]

And one last thing which will complete this Good / Bad thing, Every life has a meaning to the Force, even Darth Vader's.... I think Obi-Wan thought of that when he had the change to kill Anakin / Darth Vader. A normal Human would have killed him in the worst way, he just betrayed you But Obi-Wan knew that he shouldn't finish him of in Anger....

[Alena Vader]

rikjinn said:

alenavader said:

I wished he had tried to help him a little more before cutting off all of his limbs and burning him to shreds. And I agree with those saying it was heartless of Obi to leave him there like that. Oh, and if AV didn't already mention it, Kenobi did ignite his lightsaber first. I still personally believe that they would have fought either way, regardless.

You're not as Jedi "trained" as I am I guess. Question this, what did Obi-Wan say before Anakin jumped towards him in anger ? He said, Don't try it I have the high ground or something in that way, if you knew the ways of the Jedi then you know A Warning is a gift ! Anakin did not use that gift and that was Obi-Wan's drive to "destroy" his former Padawan, he truely was lost. As you say he left him there that was heartless but don't you think it's heartless to kill your former Teachers, like Cin Drallig, Mace Windu, Jacosta Nu etc. Or even kill YOUNGLINGS ? You think that is ok ? Anakin was the enemy and Obi-Wan did what he had to do !

Of course I think what Anakin did was heartless. Sure. Go ahead and make Anakin out to be the bad guy. But is Obi-wan perfect? No. He made mistakes just like everybody else. And just like Anakin, he could have handled the situation a little better I think.

[Grand Jedi Master Rik Jinn]

I don't want to make this a "near flaming war" but I think we must understand that what Obi-Wan did there... He had the right to handle that way. As you say Nobody's perfect they all make mistakes, yes I agree but can we take that so rough as you did ? I don't know ?? I guess you don't know either

[AV™ The Unforgiving]

I'm guessing by the tripple post this thread really got to somebody. Typical of the Jedi to try and justify their errors.