Anakin vs Obiwan fight

[Shingo Max]

K i have questions about this fight.

First off how in the world did Anakin catch on fire. I know the lava was hot and all. But wouldent it have made more sense for him to just start cooking smoking? It was like BAM!! flame on. Five seconds later the fire goes away. If it was because he was so close to the lava why didnt he just stay on fire? He aint move?

Second I just noticed today after watching episode 1. Anakin does basically the same thing the Obi wan does to Maul. So why didnt Maul hit Obiwan? I mean he didnt even try, he just stood thier. This brings up anouther question. Why would he jump up in saber range all strecthed out like that? He could have easily swung at Obi wan, and when he jumped used the force to pull him into the lava while he had his guard down. Or why didnt he just jump at him and attack, slide down a bit force jump again and get behind him.

I mean he could have even threw a force pull that obiwan would have tired to fight off, dropped his saber in the lava rose is other hand to add power overwhelming Obi-wan before he had a chance to attack pulled him over his head and flying in the lava. I mean did somthine, it was just so stupid.


And lastly. Why didnt Obi-wan just finish him? I know it's against jedi code to kill but he killed maul. And mace windu killed Jango, and yoda was gonna kill sidieous, sides his mission was to go thier and kill him in the first place. He just gonna stand thier watch him catch on fire. Which he didnt even show any emotion during it. He just stood thier looking at him like duh, then after he was all crispy watched him yelling and squirming his clothes all melted and toasted to him.

Isnt it a jedi's job to stop suffering? If he was gonna die anyways why not do it quick. All he had to do was force push into the lava bam he dead. I mean he was already in pain a couple of quick second wouldent have matterd. He just took his lightsaber and left, didnt stay to make sure he was dead or nothing. Which him leaving didnt make sense in it's self. Why leave? You suposed to go thier and kill him, and him squirming around moaing isnt dead.


Im probally just over thinking this and all but, it was just kinda stupid to me.

[jerrekdromas]

The answer for both of the fights is that they were to confident in their abilities and they underestimated their opponent....plan and simple.

[AV™ The Unforgiving]

The as=nswer is simple.. cause that's not how the story is written. Another thing I noticed right in the begining when Anakin and Obi-Wan locked sabers, just before the scene switched to Yoda confronting Sidious. Anakin has Obi-Wan saber locked with his back facing a ledge, like a foot away. he could have easily kicked Obi-Wan off of it or force pushed him off of it and bam! Anakin beats his master without even breaking a sweat.

[jerrekdromas]

Yea...I think that the "it was written that way" thing just knocked mine out of the box. Simple yet you can't argue with it.

[Aeon Kensho™]

I can see where you are coming from.I think there were a couple factors in this fight.

One was Anakin hasn't fully solidified his style as a Sith.If he had more time I feel he surely would have killed Kenobi.

Phoenix Darksider had already posted the question"Why didn't Darth Maul do the same as kenobi?".It is fairly simple,Maul was arrogant and un ready.He was so convinced Young Kenobi was finished.Revealing his own weakness and limitation-Under estimating his opponent.Obi wan was almost telling Anakin not to jump because he knew he would.As being his teacher and knowing him he knew his arrogance was his biggest weakness.


There wasn't much time to do anything but what Kenobi did.there was only the opening he went or.Anakin was so crazy at this point he was like a monster,driving by evil emotions and not thinking.

And for kenobi not showing emotion are you crazy Shingo?That was the best acting in all the prequel.When he says"You were supposed to destroy the Sith,Not join them.Bring balance to the Force,Not leave it in darkness."So much emotion in that statement.And the in the whole fight.Also you could tell he still cared for Anakin warning him not to try it.

Kenobi had thought he killed Anakin,He just couldn't bear to watch anymore.To see the monster Anakin had become.It was one of those things,You would have to assume he was dead.Lucas says it in the commentarty he thought he left him for dead.It's why he has such a grim stressed out look as he leaves Mustafar.

Anakin whether he liked it or not became an un-armed opponent,Which the code forbids to just walk up and slice him or push him in the lava.

And I'm pretty sure if anyone was that close to Magma would probably burn homie.He couldn't pull himself far enough up to not burn.Also more that anything its Karma,He got what he deserved.After his betrayal and the horrible acts he had done.I felt he got what was coming to him,he should have died there.

[Darth Shivilow™]

What he deserves wow you sound like you hate the guy he just saw the lies of the jedi's. Obi-wan could have pulled him out and the high ground rule sucks! If i was Obi-wan i would have not left anakin there to die. Thats to me is just a tipical jedi to leave their foe's there for once he got better and many years later obi dies!

[Red Five]

reikimaster said:

Phoenix Darksider had already posted the question"Why didn't Darth Maul do the same as kenobi?".It is fairly simple,Maul was arrogant and un ready.He was so convinced Young Kenobi was finished.Revealing his own weakness and limitation-Under estimating his opponent.Obi wan was almost telling Anakin not to jump because he knew he would.As being his teacher and knowing him he knew his arrogance was his biggest weakness.

There is a history of jedi and sith underestimating their opponents and paying the the price. Think back to ROTJ where Obi-Wan warns Luke not to underestimate the powers of the Empeoror. What does Luke do? He throws his lightsaber away and then in the words of the Emperor, "Young fool, only now, at the end do you understand. Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Dark Side. You have paid the price for your lack of vision. Now young Skywalker....you will die!"

[Jayman87]

shingomax said:

K i have questions about this fight.

First off how in the world did Anakin catch on fire. I know the lava was hot and all. But wouldent it have made more sense for him to just start cooking smoking? It was like BAM!! flame on. Five seconds later the fire goes away. If it was because he was so close to the lava why didnt he just stay on fire? He aint move?

Second I just noticed today after watching episode 1. Anakin does basically the same thing the Obi wan does to Maul. So why didnt Maul hit Obiwan? I mean he didnt even try, he just stood thier. This brings up anouther question. Why would he jump up in saber range all strecthed out like that? He could have easily swung at Obi wan, and when he jumped used the force to pull him into the lava while he had his guard down. Or why didnt he just jump at him and attack, slide down a bit force jump again and get behind him.

I mean he could have even threw a force pull that obiwan would have tired to fight off, dropped his saber in the lava rose is other hand to add power overwhelming Obi-wan before he had a chance to attack pulled him over his head and flying in the lava. I mean did somthine, it was just so stupid.


And lastly. Why didnt Obi-wan just finish him? I know it's against jedi code to kill but he killed maul. And mace windu killed Jango, and yoda was gonna kill sidieous, sides his mission was to go thier and kill him in the first place. He just gonna stand thier watch him catch on fire. Which he didnt even show any emotion during it. He just stood thier looking at him like duh, then after he was all crispy watched him yelling and squirming his clothes all melted and toasted to him.

Isnt it a jedi's job to stop suffering? If he was gonna die anyways why not do it quick. All he had to do was force push into the lava bam he dead. I mean he was already in pain a couple of quick second wouldent have matterd. He just took his lightsaber and left, didnt stay to make sure he was dead or nothing. Which him leaving didnt make sense in it's self. Why leave? You suposed to go thier and kill him, and him squirming around moaing isnt dead.





Im probally just over thinking this and all but, it was just kinda stupid to me.

Note: Some of this is my own interpretation, some of this is derived from what I've read at various sources.

Anakin was close enough to the lava to catch fire, the air was so hot that his lungs were severely damaged (and I'm sure being on fire didn't help either). As for why the fire goes away? Well, I've read that two things kept him alive: His will to live and his use of the force. His sheer hatred for Obi-Wan at the moment probably played a factor as well.

Your next set of questions plays largely into Obi-Wan's fighting style, Soresu (Form II). As you know, the styles also generally extend to philosophies, and thus reflect a lot on how a Jedi will choose to live his life. Soresu is a highly defensive style, and thus Obi-Wan typically uses a "wait 'em out" technique. Eventually his foes will grow tired and frustrated/angry, and their saber work will suffer because of this, allowing him to capitalize on an opening and incapacitate his opponent. As for why Maul didn't do this to Obi-Wan? As others have pointed out, he was supremely confident (and rightfully so), but made the mistake of toying with Obi-Wan instead of going for the kill. Remember, this was the first time Maul had actually fought Jedi, an event he'd been waiting and training for his entire life.

Finally, the killings of Maul, Jango, and Sidious are different situations entirely. Anakin was Obi-Wan's apprentice, plus you have the fact that Obi-Wan viewed him as a brother. Although Jedi are forbidden in romantic love, they are encouraged to have compassion, Obi-Wan definitely loved Anakin in a platonic way. He even told Yoda beforehand that he wouldn't be able to kill him. As he says, he leaves him to the will of the Force.

If you have any more questions/interpretations I'd be more than happy to continue sharing my knowledge/opinions or even have a good debate.

[Shingo Max]

Thx for all the responses. But im still not convinced. I can get about maul and about how it was made that way (which is still stupid but whatever) but certain things im still scetchy about. Expecially about the fire thing and why obi wan didnt just kill Anakin.

You just dont catch on fire and then out of the blue it goes out. And Obi wan could have easily just killed Anakin in mid jump he would have hit the groud dead no suffering quick and easy like.

[jerrekdromas]

He didn't kill him because he "loved him like a brother" remember when he said that? The fire thing I have no idea

[Shingo Max]

Sure didnt love him when he was down by the fire getting extra crispy.

[jerrekdromas]

I can't stop laughing about that one. That was messed up man.

I think he did but he knew that there was no chance of saving him from the darkside.

[Lord Brama]

Had the battle been the other way with Vader on the high ground there would be no discussion. A sith would have ended him then and there. Without question and without remorse. That shows the weak will of the Jedi. Unable to carry thru once emotions become involved.

Oh and Shingo. Wanna let it burn, wanna wanna let it burn.

[jerrekdromas]

Was that a bad Usher line? Anyway, we are dealing in "what if's" we are dealing with what DID happen and Anakin/Vader didn't have the upper hand. Obi-Wan would be the victor reguardless because that is how GL wished for it to happen. Jedi rise while the Sith fall. That is how it is and will always be. It is not uncommon for a Sith to win a battle or two,but a Jedi always wins the war. The proof is in the footage.

[Lord Brama]

Only because good should always triumph over evil. It is the nature of man to believe in those ideals.

Woa. Way to deep, way too tired.

and no it was from sublime - April 26, 1992. have you ever heard me rocking to ursher?