Why would Darth Vader stay at the emperors side after finding out the whole cause for his turn to the darkside was lost?
RE: ok.... it was not lost YET.
He wanted to Rule remember... he wanted to rule "his" galaxy. Therefore he would STAY until the monster was Destroyed and HE took his place as 2nd in command.....
Think back..........
You know how he was about fixing things and trusting others to do something that HE could do.
He had to take responsiblity for everything.. he blamed himself for everything and the emperor loved that...
he continued to let Vader blame himself and be disappointed with himself so that Anakin would want to be darker, more powerful, and all those other lies.
Remember when he was told that he killed Padme?
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SOME fans actually believe the Emperor!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember what Anakin says behind that mask for the first time...?
"NO.... no... thats IMPOSSIBLE.. she was ALIVE... I FELT it.!!!!!"
That covers that.
He didn't kill her, he had her pass out.. anyone who has taken martial arts (like me) knows that you can cause someone to choke and pass out and wake later... you do NOT kill someone automatically by choking them.. that is an old wives tale.
You have to continue to choke after they pass out and feel their pulse and wait for them to actually DIE before you've killed them.
SO anakin was RIGHT.
He did NOT kill her... you see her give birth right?
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She was traumatized however and pregnant women cannot be put through that much stress... he contributed to her giving up on her own strength... yes.. but her strength began to dwindle once she was watching the GALAXY fall into a dictatorship..... You see her get more and more depressed and actually ask anakin if they should be on the other side........ she was desperately trying to find meaning in her Life.
When Anakin was betrayed by his so called brother Obiwan... that confused her... look at her face when they begin to yell...
She loses it.
POINT IS...... he tells her....
he did it for her yes, and for the unborn, yet he also wanted to BRING FREEDOM and democracy to HIS galaxy.
He thought THIS WAS his defining moment that THIS was what the propecy meant by
HE WILL BRING BALANCE.
He did not understand!!!!!!!
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He did if for padme more then the power.
RE: No he did it to Gain the power first and out of the power he was told THEN if he got STRONG enough (only then) could he try to stop Padmes death.....
The emperor was tricky on that part...
he said there was a way and then later he says that he will try with him and the two of them together "should" do it... GRRRRRRRRRR.
But anyway.... it was pretty equal...
the power would bring Padme back to him...
it was all he wanted since his mother died....
to be able to stop death.. to stop that pain....
when innocent ones die at the hands of what he called "ANIMALS"
So he was willing to save his wife and UNBORN... and sacrifice his own soul to do it.
Lucas says it is like FAUST.... that is a story of a man who makes a deal with the devil and then is tricked of course and ends up losing everything.
Power was first because that led him to the ABILITY to save Padme.
AND the galaxy too dont forget that!!!
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And even so. Since Vader became more powerful.
Why didnt he just destroy Palpatine when he found out padme died?
RE: okay.... remember Mustafar.
Remember his smile to the very worried wife/love Padme... Remember him saying
"Dont you SEE? We dont have to run anymore... I can destroy him Padme..."
His PLAN from the get go even though he pretended to be so very loyal and bent his knee to this creature.... was to KILL the emperor....
Sidious showed his true colors when Anakin stopped MACE from killing him and Sidious felt that was not enough and threw Mace out the window!!!!!!!!
That is when you hear Anakin say WHAT have I DONE?? Thinking... who is this Sith with me this is NOT the father figure I thought I had!! I trusted this man??? I just helped him kill my Friend!!
Well.......... His plan after that was maybe Mace was right...... Mace wanted to kill Sidious out of RAGE, ANGER, VENGENCE all the things the emperor said if you use you become more and more HIS. Remember he said that to Luke??? So Anakin is saving Mace in a way by stopping him completely from being able to do what he should not do... PLUS he needed the SITH.... and Mace did not even ask WHY.
So........... moving on
you know that he WANTED TO DESTROY him from the very beginning right??
Ok so what the heck made him NOT? Yeah I asked that too.
Obiwan.
The fight.
Anakin fights Obiwan and Obi decides to let Anakin BURN to death... no mercy kill before.. nope.. just let him burn and lecture him at the same time.... ANYWAY.... he loses more limbs.........
WHAT I LEARNED ABOUT LIMBS OF THE JEDI is that the midichlorians that are in your system as a full body FILL your body and speak to you and give you your strength your power.. as Quigon explained...
When Anakin lost his arm he lost some of the guidance...and power... when he lost his other limbs same thing...
WHen he was BURNED almost to DEATH... he lost Both legs!!!!!!!!!
He was left with his thighs to his head and all the rest ARTIFICIAL.
This WEAKENS HIM...........
so as Lucas says, as Vader he is a "pathetic character"
by this he means that Vader is LESS powerful than he was as Anakin.
YES Anakin could have killed the SITH as he PLANNED if Obiwan had not tried to kill him!!!!!
Anakin could have had that plan come to BE.
But, Jedi turned against Jedi and it was not to be....
Obiwan snuck onto his wifes ship and came to kill him.... a very dirty way of going about it.
NOTE: READ return of the Jedi the book and you will see this quote when Luke talks to Obi after Yoda dies... "what happened to your father was my fault.. the universe paid a high price for my pride." I kid you not... it is in there......... take a look.
ANYWAY
Vader knew that he could not kill the SITH now...
at least that is what he THOUGHT.
He underestimated himself now.
And he then throws away the name Anakin Skywalker because of all the mistakes that Anakin made...
he will not make them again.
NO ONE shall fail him now, not himself and not anyone around him... not as VADER.
You know that from the Trilogy.
He has no mercy anymore for the slightest mistake.
Things will go acording to plan and if they do not then others will pay. This is his anger at himself. And at the FACT that he is a SLAVE now.
He knows he is stuck for 20 years until his son grows up... Luke is his only hope now... if you learn about it you will find out that vader knew of Luke but not of Leia.... So he still has a FIGHTING CHANCE at destroying the SIth.... and he is going to TAKE IT. He has FAITH in the force... that the force will provide him his son.. and that this is how he will bring balance... he will destroy the sith somehow with his Son..... He knows that being IMPATIENT and Yelling at your Chains will not make the Iron melt away. You have to actually believe in yourself to have the FAITH it takes to melt those chains away. He was STUCK... he knew he was less powerful and just did not believe he could do it alone... he was clouded and enslaved and manipulated and lost inside. ONE hope... his son... thats it.
And if he did escape and try to become himself again, remember he would be giving up who he thinks he is supposed to be. He is the CHOSEN ONE and He thinks that "bringing balance" is killing Sidious!! And ruling!! And that is how he can bring balance...
YET that is not what the Force meant in the prophecy. No one said anything about the chosen one Ruling the galaxy.. only that he would bring balance to the FORCE. He would decide how to do it and know when the time came. And No one really knows what Prophecy means until it happens and even then they dont know until it is said and done and then they look back and say.......... OH!!!!!!!!! lol.
Plus even if he gave up his ROLE as the chosen one and left where would he hide... he is a walking target in that suit.. and everyone hates and fears him. The entire galaxy would want him dead.. the rebels and the empire.
There was no WAY out.. this is why he tries to tell Luke when Luke says simply "come away with me" YOU DONT KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE I MUST OBEY MY MASTER.
He admits there that it is not his will in his own life but the will of that SITH.. and the darkness that he became trapped within.
Luke does not believe as his father does.. and Luke does everything to bring his fathers FAITH back up!!
THAT is why only at the end when he watches his son dying he TAKES THE CHANCE and just does it......... just TRIES IT!!!!!!!!!!! Heck with all of this... he wants the sith dead and he will finally have the chance... the emporer does not see it coming.. he is behind him and distracted and Vader will not allow another one that he LOVES to die!!!!!!!!
So he finally CONQUERS the fear inside him he had since a boy..... and has true faith in himself... beyond logic.... He does it.
With that..... Luke saved him...
Luke helped him SAVE HIMSELF.
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Palpatine just used him to get to his son.
And have another apprentice to kiss his ass.
RE: Yep... true. He was a jerk.
But the sith knew Vader was not fully loyal no matter what Vader did to try to pretend. So this is why he wanted a new apprentice.
That is what I gather from reading Mara Jade.
She knew and what she knew the emporer knew.
Yes all 3 knew Vader had a son too!!!
... and it is that Son that Vader thought could grow strong enough to kill this SITH for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember that. That is a BIG one.
If he could not do it... his son could once he was grown... so Vader would be a slave for almost 20 years as long as it took for his son to come to his destiny..
he even tells him in ESB... Luke come with me...
"you can kill the emperor he has FORSEEN it... it is your DESTINY"
Vader is being completely honest with his son and yet Luke thinks it is all Lies. He gets his wits about him and comes back thank God in return of the Jedi....
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Then when Vader finally was able to stand before Luke without having to duel him. He didnt think twice of destroying palpatine then either. Vader was proud of Luke and his success as a Jedi Knight. Constructing a new lightsaber takes hard work.Vader knew that.
RE: YEP.
He was so very PROUD of his son.
And you should know that LUCAS says that there was not ONE scene where Vader was actually dueling his son Luke in order to kill him...
Lucas says he was only trying to bring out Lukes STRENGTH.. and you see how he grows in the 3 films!!!!!!!
BIG TIME... from country boy to MASTER.
Very amazing. His father brings this out.
His father gives him purpose, and his sister too.
As for destroying the SITH then..... that is what this was all about.
Vader waited for this day for 20 years.... yes he WAS waiting to destroy the SIth!!.... Yes he waited for that day.. dont be fooled by Vaders Act... remember him in Empire strikes back being honest... saying to his son HELP ME DESTROY HIM.... remember that this is the truth........ but how do you TRICK a SITH LORD?
He knows that the SITH is very able to read most of his thoughts.... and you have to remember that NO ONE can feel or sense that Vader is turning on the Sith.
The emperor must feel and sense and think that Vader is being totally Loyal.
He MUST bring his son to him, he must obey and stand still and Quiet... he must act as if he is totally on the side of the SITH.
And he must wait for Luke to do what he hopes.....
He stops him though at that point remember???
Luke grabs his lightsaber and goes to strike the SITH down..... a revelation that Vader is still Jedi deep within is that Vader STOPS luke.
He KNOWS that ANGER, VENGENCE, WRATH, PAIN, all those things are what Luke would strike him down with and Vader needs Luke to be STRONGER than that.... you cannot kill fire with fire...
You must be stronger than your pain... master your pain...
Vader learned how to do that.. and he felt his son had to as well.... yes use the power but do not let it overcome you or use you.
Remember the dark power can consume you... you must use IT and not let it use YOU.
Confusing? Not really..... Anakin just knows that he used the power and it consumed him and he needs Luke to do the opposite... USE IT....
so they battle...
Vader tries to bring him to the point of using that power...
and if neccessary killing both him and the Emperor... it seems.
IT SEEMS.
So the SITH is very happy.
This is great to him...
his "overconfidence" is his weakness and Vader knows that as well as Luke.
They fight and when Luke hides Vader tells him "you cannot hide forever... and then finds Leia in his mind.......... perfect.
He remembers that he decided to use the darkness because of a love for his wife.... so then Luke can learn to use the darkness too for the love of his sister!!!"
He tells luke he will see if she will turn for the SITH ( a lie) lol but it works!!!!!!!!
Vader almost loses his life at his sons hands until he surrenders (lucas says remember Vader will NOT kill his son so he surrenders to his fate... if it is to be he has done all he can).......... and that is when LUKE catches on.
WAIT............ what did his father say on cloud city?
?? Come help me destroy the Sith?
??
Hold the phone........... He turns to the sith as Sidious laughs and invites him to join him and kill his father..... and says with a SMILE...
"YOUVE FAILED YOUR HIGHNESS, I am a Jedi.... like my father before me."
With THAT........ Anakin begins to stir......... what did my son say?
? Like my father before me?? He gets it?
See, Vader is torn... he knows darkness is power yet he knows light is power and it only took Luke showing him that Light is JUST AS STRONG to let him know that LOVE can cause the Darkness to fall..........
He thinks on this as Luke and the Sith have their conversation and their fight..... he watches Luke dying at the hands of this creature he has hated since the death of Mace.... and............ thats it.
He now has the POINT OF NO RETURN.
Either he takes his chance to BALANCE the force NOW or he is not the chosen one.
He takes it.
He understands now what unbalance is............ he knows that balance is not one power stronger than another but Equality
.... It must start again... a rebirth.... Luke will carry on what he has learned..... and his sister is a jedi too.......... his twins will carry on....... he knows his role... even if it kills him (which it does) He is done.
He is saved.
He is complete....
And Anakin feels finally Settled... not afraid.
I hope this helped............ ask anything else and I would love to answer.......... I know this is long........ but there was no other way to anwer this....... its 6 movies long!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
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He could of stayed alive longer,and been with his son.
Not at palpatines leash.
It puzzles me knowing Vader had so many chances to destroy that selfesh palpatine. He was the chosen one,the one creathed by a Sith Lord. Vader could totaly kill the emperor if he had the chance.But he never took it.Its so mind boggling to me.
RE: well I hope that you do understand now....this was my Question for years... and it took a lot of research to dig up the answers... it probably shouldnt be so hard.. because most just watch the films and that is it.. but ... please read all that I wrote above and you will understand.... I know that there are things that just frustrate us............ there are things in life like that.......... but we have to do what we have to do.... and in this story we watch a person who is good be forced into a role of SLAVE again and be forced to stay that way for 20 years as his son grows.....I hated that...I always LOVED Vader and I could not stand each time he bent to kneel, I wanted to be SICK. lol. Honest!!!!!!!
Yet just remember he still has that plan ... to KILL sidious.
I think after you've read what I wrote you might enjoy Return of the Jedi again...
Maybe watch ep3 and ep 6 in one night!!!!!!!
Wait... you may want to watch ep 5 too so that you can remember Vader being honest with Luke and telling him of his plans to kill the sith and how he wants his help..... just as he told Padme in ep3... he wanted to rule with her.
Such an AWESOME story................ when can we get enough?
When do we stop catching things we missed? lol... probably never... wink.
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