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Post by Darth Mayhem on Mar 17, 2007 8:58:08 GMT -5
hey i recently read this shatterpoint book which was really good and i would recomend reading, but in it, it explains his ability to see shatterpoints.
"As well as his incredible combat abilities, Windu also possessed a rare gift. He had a unique form of Force perception which allowed him to see the shatterpoint in situations, beings and circumstances. These shatterpoints revealed points upon which other things were reliant. Shatterpoints could form links between beings, creatures, planets, or other vessels, and if destroyed or utilized, these shatterpoints could hold the key to averting disaster, sealing fate, winning battles and fulfilling the very will of the Force itself."
ok now my problem is if he could see these shatterpoints in things then why couldnt he see them in anikin? i mean if he could see what linked people together it says he could avert wars and seal fates. why didnt he mention anything to yoda before he had allowed obi wan to take anikin for training?
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Post by Darth Atrox on Mar 17, 2007 15:46:16 GMT -5
Because Anakins shatter point was Padme. They didn't appear in public together, and kept their relationship hidden from everybody. Anakin hid his feelings for her, and while it may be noticeable that he is hiding something, or something is bothering him the question would still remain: "what".
Since they were never seen together and he hid his feelings so well to protect their relationship Mace was never able to pinpoint Anakins shatter point. Only when Anakin confessed that he needed Palpatine alive to save Padme did he realize what he was hiding and how Palpatine was able to corrupt him, and by then it was already too late as fear and irrationality had taken over his already unstable mind.
That's my take on it anyway.
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Post by Darth Mayhem on Mar 18, 2007 16:20:57 GMT -5
well mace saw shatterpoints as they were at the time. couldnt he have seen that the shatter point in the boys life wouldve been a huge factor to his training and ideally the entire jedi order?
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Post by Darth Atrox on Mar 18, 2007 16:37:47 GMT -5
well mace saw shatterpoints as they were at the time. couldnt he have seen that the shatter point in the boys life wouldve been a huge factor to his training and ideally the entire jedi order? I'm not familiar with Mace's abilities as I have not read the book, but you said "at the time". Throughout Anakins training there was no danger. He was in love, she was perfectly fine and everything was well. After his mother died he began fearing loss. Mace would have noticed this, as would have Yoda and he told him in ROTS, he shouldn't fear death or the death of a loved one. Fear leads to the dark side. Of course they would see he is conflicted, but he hid his emotions, and it never became a real pressing issue until he had those dreams, then he began to listen to Sidious out of fear, fear of loosing someone he cared about. So if he saw them "at the time", that would explain his suspicion of Anakin in ROTS, but he still didn't know WHAT he was hiding. Anakin was extremely powerful in the force and I imagine could hide his thoughts well. Again, just my take on it. It would be sort of hard to guess that someone has a secret wife and a Sith lord has implanted visions of her death in his head to lure them to the dark side and then stop all this, when the person in question is a very powerful Jedi who can hide things well lol. He may have realized Anakin was tempted or in turmoil, but there was really no way he could have guessed the exact reason for it. |
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Post by jerrekdromas on Mar 21, 2007 16:20:27 GMT -5
Is the name of the book "Shatterpoint"? and if so who put the book on the market? Is it a Darkhorse?
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Post by Darth Atrox on Mar 21, 2007 17:51:48 GMT -5
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Post by Darth Mayhem on Mar 21, 2007 17:56:37 GMT -5
Is the name of the book "Shatterpoint"? and if so who put the book on the market? Is it a Darkhorse? ya the title of the book is mace windu "Shatterpoint" im not sure who its by like if its darkhorse exactly. |
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Post by jerrekdromas on Mar 21, 2007 18:07:05 GMT -5
Thanks for the info man. How much did you pay for yours and does it come in hardback?
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Post by Darth Mayhem on Mar 21, 2007 18:14:31 GMT -5
it comes in harback but i didnt buy it i rented it lol... it is very gruesome lol but one of the best ones ive read yet.
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Post by jerrekdromas on Mar 23, 2007 12:28:03 GMT -5
I think that I will have to buy that one. Mace is one of my favs. Thanks for all of the info man. I will let you know when I finish reading it so we can "nerd it up" with talk of the book. LOL
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Post by ~Rogue Jedi~ on May 18, 2007 1:59:30 GMT -5
This book was great. I love the "Vappad" fighting style.
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Post by Garyn Fett™ on May 18, 2007 2:17:22 GMT -5
turns out to be Depa's downfall, though it is awesomeness.
And as for the debate on why he couldn't see Anakin's shatterpoint...he didn't look until it was too late. He trusted Anakin like he trusted every other Jedi...near implicitly. He saw that Palpatine's shatterpoint was Anakin, but he didn't look for Anakin's shatterpoint. Critical mistake, as we see.
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Post by Darth Mayhem on May 18, 2007 18:56:08 GMT -5
i think looking back at my question that i see something i didnt. i see that mace and the other jedi were blinded in there abilities and their "righteousness". so when he looked at anikin he saw only what he wanted to and that blinded him. he knew palpatine was evil after anikin found out and then saw it. but before the shatterpoint wasnt there unless something was very visibnly doing evil. and yes vaapaad rocks major. and only mace windu has learned it to a degree of master and anyone else has inevitably fallen to the darkness.
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Post by Garyn Fett™ on May 19, 2007 1:16:08 GMT -5
Depa was considered a Master as well, she just didn't have the same problem with the Dark side that Mace did.
But he did indeed see Sidious's shatterpoint, right when Anakin and Obi Wan brought him back to the senate building in EP3 (novelization...shatterpoints aren't visible). He saw that Palpatine's shatterpoint was Anakin, and didn't know what it meant.
That was before Anakin told him.
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Post by Darth Mayhem on May 19, 2007 20:20:11 GMT -5
i dont think that it was he saw palpatines shatterpoint... i think he was already wary of senators exetra, just like obi-wan was. and mace enjoyed fighting and used this to harrness his darkness. he mentions that somehwere.
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